Swashbuckler Finesse bonuses similar to Weapon Finesse doubling Penalties.


I've tried to make an "unchained rogue" (the unchained manual) that is also a "swashbuckler" with the "inspired blade" class (advanced class guide).

Aside from a minor weird thing about 20 arrows and the stack of arrows "arrows (20)" being obviously different. (but personally i'm not going to file an issue for that)

The main problem i see is that since both classes grant the weapon finesse feat.... it gets applied twice.

As you can clearly see in the original version i had +16 with the rapier to hit bonus, but by raising the strength by 3 points...

(i redistributed the points around so that the 4rth level increase went to dexterity instead of strength so i could actually wear the basic equipment and also carry little things like water, rations a backpack and other stuff like that, which... you know... for a roleplaying game... might be needed)

...i ended up having less to hit bonus.

i thought originally that i had messed up making the character, but the remake actually showed me that finesse is applied twice since strength got subtracted twice.

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Simone Spinozzi
January 6, 2019, 9:57 AM

why, yes, i do like building and testing weird stuff, but it’s not exactly an illegal build, since nowhere is written that i can’t mix swashbuckler and rogues. And since you rewrote the subject it seems you’ve found the actual problem. 😅

Andrew Maitland
January 6, 2019, 5:48 AM

Okay, I’m becoming of the opinion here you like building crazy PCs that really shouldn’t be legal. Swashbuckler mixes Rogue, and per unchained rules, you cannot play a normal rogue and unchained rogue. By taking swashbuckler you are essentially building an unchained rogue and regular rogue ergo an illegal build.

Andrew Maitland
January 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

Well, fact #1 - Weapon Finesse feat cannot be applied twice Fact #2 - it’s typed so the value would never stack. What is likely happening here is a class feature is granting a Weapon Finesse effect and not the feat as it should.



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