Freed Slave (Trait) Will Saves aren't properly stacking (at least with Steadfast Personality Feat and Indomitable Will Trait)


I took the Steadfast Personality feat on my swashbuckler and my CHA bonus is +4. I also took the traits Freed Slave and Indomitable Will, which each add +1 to my Will saves. I also have a + 3 Cloak of Resist and my character is Lvl 11, so has a base +3 Will save. Thus, my Will save modifier should be 12 (3 Base + 3 Magic + 6 [4+1+1] Misc). However, I only see a +11 Will save (instead of 12) since there is only a +5 in the Misc column (when there should be a + 6), so something isn't properly stacking. After removing both traits to see where the discrepancy was, I noticed that the discrepancy seems to be on the Freed Slave Trait as it isn't adding to my Will save total.




Andrew Maitland
November 2, 2019, 5:57 PM

I’ll take a look, but unless specified otherwise, Trait Bonuses don’t stack. Freed Slave (Trait) and Indomitable Will (Trait) would not stack, unless the bonus is stated as different.

Andrew Maitland
November 2, 2019, 6:04 PM

Freed Slave - “You gain a +1 trait bonus on Will saves.” - Inner Sea Primer

Indomitable Will couldn’t find any trait with that name, but I found Indomitable Faith.

Indomitable Faith - “You gain a +1 trait bonus on Will saves.” - Ultimate Campaign.

Anyways, not a bug, working properly according to the Game System rules on like bonuses only take the highest value.

Andrew Maitland
November 2, 2019, 6:05 PM

Rules system not clearly understood by OP. Explained rules and the program as working in the intended fashion. Will not alter the program.

Christian Fernandez-Duque
November 3, 2019, 3:39 AM

Yeah, I’m relatively new to the D20 system, so thre are some details I’m still fuzzy on, admittedly. But Freed Slave is a Regional Trait and Indomitable Faith (you’re correct, “Indomitable Will” was an error on my part) is a Religion Trait.


Asking for confirmation: so two different traits that give a bonus to the same Saving Throw cannot stack, even if they’re from different categories of traits? (Damn, that sucks, now I’ll have to find a new trait to put there, preferably one that gives a bonus to Fort saves.)

Andrew Maitland
November 3, 2019, 3:58 AM

Bonuses of the same type regardless of source do not stack. There are some few exceptions to that rule but in this case the bonus type is Trait.




Christian Fernandez-Duque



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